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into the atlantic and the beginning of Palapa Phase III
roger
09/24/2011, gibraltar

well my plan was going to be go spend another night at anchor today so i could leave bright and early and optimize the tide/current leaving the straight of gibraltar. i was not able to get much sleep last night and woke up earlier than planned so i decided why not just get under way. i was not looking forward to a night along on anchor and had finished all the house episodes last night in my insomnia. i also finished a bottle of rum, a pizza and a left over gyro so i was not feeling supper great either.

i got up to the marina office and checked out by 9 and final got out of the slip by 10. of course the whole boat was a mess and it took the first hour to get everything stowed but i wanted as much of the favorable tide as i could get before it turned. the book was quite confusing and i am not sure correct. for a while i was down to only 2 kts. i am back up to almost 4 now but supposedly in 1 45 minutes i will be in the slack zone and then it will build in the good direction for the rest of the day.

here is a photo of this ass clown who tried to run me over. we where converging with him gaining on me and after a half dozon calls on the radio and when i could see the whites in his eyes i can starboard to avoid collision. so much for rules of the road. i do not mind altering course if i have the right of way just dont like doing it without confirming with the other vessel first. this guys was clearly clueless.

had some more leftovers for breakfast/lunch along with a beer and chips and was feeling much better. only another 12 hour until i am declaring i am in the north atlantic and then only a 560nm to go to the first cannarie. at least it is warm and i am not board yet just a bit lonely..

cheers, roger

09/24/2011 | Frank
mmm...rum, pizza and mystery meat gyro = breakfast of champions. Glad to read you calmed your stomach down with a carbonated beverage and chips :) Now that you fixed your mast, in all your free time, can you correct the sailblog positions? You seem to be sailing east over the North Africa again ;-) Have fun on your short hop.
09/24/2011 | David
Bon Voyage! And, yes, I agree with Frank on the Blog position report... it appears, though, that you only need to tell the gizmo that your Longitude is West of Greenwich, not East. At least that would report a believable position. I certainly hope your PLB has it right! Fair Winds and Following Seas!
03/23/2012 | Mary Orme
Roger, we handle marketing activities for Catalina Yachts and want to add you and LaPalapa to the Catalina Hall of Fame. Can you please contact me? 727-733-9332 or mary@amcenergy.com. Thanks!
final? engineering goose neck addendum
roger
09/23/2011, gibraltar

i must say i have never got more comments on the blog than i have gotten over the latest mast issue! i am adding this to cover everyones current concerns and comments.

i really think we are ok here, the gooseneck is bolted on more securely than the original rivits and with the new weld more secure than the previous bolt configuration. i really do not think a "new mast" is necessary and i am pretty sure i am out of warrantee here! if you look at the picture showing the whole mast you can see that we are only talking about the aft 1/3 of the mast that contains the roller furler asm. the crack its self only extended about an inch from one bolt hole. there is another 2/3 of the mast that is a closed tube that holds the wiring halyards and everything a standard mast does. i believe this is responsible for the structural load not the aft 1/3 with the main rolled up in it and the slot all the way up and down it.

finally, i did get this from jim at the spar company after i sent him the final pics today.

"I think you are good to sail. I know it is not perfect but you are better off now."

at the same time i have been getting some great advice from everyone. here is a great email comment from dave (my thesis advisor back at stanford)

"As I pondered the whole situation, including the comment about "Catalina never planned on anybody using the boat like you do", I started wondering what level of fatigue analysis they did on other key parts of the boat.... like the standing rigging, keel bolts, and rudder shafts. I have no idea what the design is like for either rudder or keel on your boat, but I do know that some modern boats, if not most, have the keel bolted on to the hull. I have also heard of keels departing the hull. In a storm, either a rudder failure or a keel failure would put you in a more dire situation than a loss of your mast. I also understand it is standard practice to replace all the standing rigging every so often on sail boats, I assume due in part because of their fatigue life, and part due to corrosion.

You seem to have access to the Catalina folk, so it might be useful to ask them about their design margins when considering fatigue life of the various parts, or if they did a fatigue analysis! As I see it, you have not only been sailing a lot more than most owners, and in lots of unprotected waters that put a periodic load on the craft, but it sounds like you have spent many a night at poorly protected anchorages, which also puts a lot of periodic load on the mast, rigging, and keel. (not sure if it does on the rudder). I have little knowledge of fatigue (not since MIT days in the 50s!), but I do know that the first commercial jet airliner (BA comet) crashed due to fatigue, and 737s have been losing skin sections due to fatigue on high cycle aircraft."

i do plan to ask about the rudder, i ordered a second "arm" for the second autopilot and i noticed it was for a bigger diameter rudder post than i have, perhaps this has been upgraded as well! i have a spare prop and prop shaft and now that i have a conventional packing gland can change this with the boat in the water if necessary. and yes, caston i have rigging cutters among everything else! fortunately i had a J-O-B when i outfitted palapa so did not spare many expenses in the spare section.

i am looking for someone to help with the trip across the pond in this very SAFE and nicely set up vessel! no experience required just a positive attitude! so if you know anyone excited about this let me know. i hear the Caribbean is a great place to spend christmas and winter in general :)

cheers, roger

09/23/2011 | Ted Metsker
Hi roger, I sold Slapdash to Seth and Jamie and have been sailing since I was four in everything from prams to a 183' tall ship. If you need crew to cross the pond I'd like to volunteer. I'm a retired airline pilot so getting to where you are would be easy. Available after October 4th. Thanks, Ted
the end of an era ...
roger
09/23/2011, gibraltar

well today i got up bright and early at 930am again and decided i needed to get things back together. i decided to keep the fix simple with no additional grinding and no new hole in the mast. i was able to get the 7 screws in with just a little drilling of the old holes of course i had to tape the nuts to an open end wrench and hold up inside the mast but this was a piece of cake compared to everything else.

on a sadder note karli left to head to london and then onto bali this afternoon. as she put it just before leaving she had spent the last year "living my dream" and it was time for her to live hers (or something close to that). separating is never easy especially after all we have been through together over the last year but hopefully this will lead to us both being happier long term. here is karli on the helm for the a little over a year ago heading across the top of australia to darwin for the beginning of her crazy adventure.

tomorrow i will probably get underway as the weather right now is crap (raining). this is presuming i get the genset oil light fixed although it looks like it will be mostly a motor with light winds predicted.

cheers, roger

09/24/2011 | Frank
I hope that both of you find what you are looking for. Take care.
"fixed"
roger
09/22/2011, gibraltar

well this morning turned out to be quite calm and amazingly enough the welder actually came by. he found me up at the cafe having coffee working on emails. to make a long story short after about 1.5 hours x 2 people = 120 pounds i had the result shown. i sent out the following to "jim"

thanks for the help on the phone yesterday.

the welding guys came by this am and did the welds. can you take a look at the photos and tell me if you think it is ok to reinstall?

a couple comments

1. they pointed out the existing welds where quite shallow, makes sense

2. the piece in the middle actually fell out when they where prepping, ie the cracks extended all the way up and down on both sides

3. after re welding with no pressure the bolt hole rows are now 2 mm closer together (this means the mast is narrower than it was)

4. they filled the bolt hole where the crack came from

5. they added a piece of aluminum in the channel that was cracked and then welded it in

6. my plan is to put the goose neck on with only 7 bolts, no re-drilling of the one hole

7. i will need to redrill either the goose neck bracket to (make holes wider or re drill the mast to account for 3 above, which do you recommend.

i got back a decent response except for the following comment

"I want to say just take it easy and if you get into some heavy weather, use the jib as much as possible."

i think it is 10 x better then it was so i will try to get the boom on tomorrow and underway the next day if weather still good. the inly wrinkle seems to be the goose neck bracket will not mount flush with the mast so i will have to remove material from the mast or the gooseneck fitting with the grinder. should make a major mess.

cheers, roger

09/22/2011 | Bill Wickman
Roger, I'm surprised there isn't a boatyard around somewhere that can really repair the rig. Barcelona, Valencia, Malaga? Got to somewhere that can do rig work. Why head across the Atlantic with a jury rig repair?

All the best,
Bill
09/22/2011 | Mark
I'd heard rumors of some welding having taken place... Hope it all holds together. Next stop = the Canaries?
09/22/2011 | mc
I think you might need a different title for this entry
09/22/2011 | roger hayward
hi guys

the mast guys are telling me this plus the new goosneck is the "fix" not sure what else to do. it will take weeks to get the gooseneck here so my plan was to have larry bring it to the canaries next wekk
09/23/2011 | gary hayward
After seeing the photos, reading the notes, and getting copied on a long email from Prof, Powell, I think there is NO WQY you want to go anyplace with a "fix" like that! Order a new mast from Cataline - would they give you a good pricve as a loyal "boat tester"? (use the HRG account - condider it as "your inheritance in advance"), find a DECENT boatyard to completely rerig the boat, get yourself a new experienced crew (the airline pilot who offered?) for a crossing - if you MUST make one - or better yet - stay and enjoy sailing in the Med with friends and relarives till Kali fels like joining you again!
Love and MOST concerned, your Dad

PS I think maybe your boat is trying to "tell" you something - with batteiies and gen set and now the mast - that it's run our it's useful life! Perhaps a better plan would be to just sell it to someone there for use in the Med. (get a "hold harmless" note from them first!), think about life for awhile, come back and start another company, and make plans for "Palapa III" in the future!
Plan B, La Palapa Part III
roger
09/21/2011, gibraltar

i dont even know why i bother planning anymore. today after giving up on the welder ever coming and starting to make plans to leave, he finally called looking for me. i managed to get the goose neck off before his arrival and shot this pic which i sent back to the mast guys. i even got "jim" on the phone again this time he was much more negative about the situation and recommended fixing it now before "the crack ran away". the good news is the welders did show up and actually think it can be done for a reasonable amount of money. the bad news is it has to be completely calm to weld aluminum and his guy is going to Morocco this weekend so we are looking at next week at the best. by then we will have another weather pattern. perhaps this will give me time to line up someone to go with me but i was kind of looking forward to trying a (short) offshore passage alone!

the plan by the way is to just weld all the cracks and then eventually replace the goose neck outline shown in solid with one shown in dotted sharpie. i asked "jim" what the cause was and he told me "you use your boat the way people only dream of using it" and in that configuration apparently the stock goose neck bracket is insufficient, go figure. i will try to use the time to work on a few other projects. my current thinking is to try to get south to the verde islands as fast as possible where the water is actually warm but who knows perhaps this plan with change as well!

i got to talk to stu this am about his generator exhaust leak. he is still in ibiza in an 80 euro per night marina trying to get it fixed. he was talking about the "civilized" way of circumnavigating again thinking about shipping his boat across the atlantic. at least he made me feel better about my 18 pounds per night slip but also reminded me i have a genset oil light problem i need to fix!

cheers, roger

09/21/2011 | Caston
Roger, you are not going to like this post.

I sent your picture to Beatty (Stealth Chicken) who has extensive mast issue experience (I will share details at another time) and his exact words were "he has a major Fuck'n problem". Welding will not fix the problem and you will de-mast, probably at the worst possible time, and lose the entire rig. The cracks are at the most stress bearing point of the mast. He recommends either having the mast manufacturer or a good local shop, make a sleeve, for both sides, that extends 1' beyond the cracks, 5200 the crap out of it to the mast, drill and tap with lots of fasteners. This will fix it correctly. Having the manufacturer of the mast do it would be the cleanest way but probably a hassle.

Are there no decent boat yards around there?

Sorry!

Good luck!
09/21/2011 | Ken Page
Hi Roger,
I have a machinist background and have been involved in many boat related fixes in boatyards. Not to beat a dead horse but dang, that's a lot of cracked structure. I'm not sure with this picture but is the top of that vertical weld starboard side also cracked? If so, that over sized gooseneck fitting that was mentioned and I believe drawn with the dotted lines installed bolted and welded on the outside edge over all the the existing cracks that still need to be welded before I'd ever call it "fixed". The sleeves mentioned in the last comment would be a decent fix to keep you going. (just my 2 cents)
09/21/2011 | Ken Page
...and, I've offered Seth and Jamie help to cross the pond because I'm planning on buying a Gemini. If you need experienced help (16,000 offshore miles in the Atlantic) e-mail me, we can talk.
09/22/2011 | Kenneth Newell
If you get the chance, take a look at my blog showing my new gooseneck that I fabricated in Fiji...bullet proof.
09/22/2011 | rch
hi caston

like i mentioned in the email, this is not the whole mast there is a complete cylender forward of the roller furler compartment that should be providing the majority of the structural supprt but would still like to here more from beety!

cheers
roger
09/22/2011 | Ted Metsker
Hi roger, I sold Slapdash to Seth and Jamie and have been sailing since I was four in everything from prams to a 183' tall ship. If you need crew to cross the pond I'd like to volunteer. I'm a retired airline pilot so getting to where you are would be easy. Available after October 4th. Thanks, Ted
de ja vous all over again
roger
09/20/2011, gibraltar

well as some of you may have suspected there was more than just the mast and the Genset that caused me to come back to the marina a couple of days. in retrospect it would have sucked to be on anchor for the last couple of days due to the weather but that was not it either. the primary reason for the abort was karli was having second thoughts about continuing on the trip. i will let karli go into the detail but bottom line is she has started to focus her thoughts on her life going forward post sailing (what exactly is that?) and will be flying to bali this week to start begin this new "journey". ironically it was about a year ago we where in bali and the weather should be much better than the med and even the Canaries right now. This leaves me in a bit of a lurch but i have encouraged her to do what will make her happy. alas, apparently a never ending "plan" to sail the warm parts of the world is not every ones "dream", especially with a larry visit on the horizon :)

i will probably go ahead and do the trip to the canaries my self only about 500nm (half the baja peninsula) so i can get out of here sooner or later. did i mention there apparently is only one guy in Gibraltar that does stainless and he will not return my calls, so i will be doing the mast fix there. i will be looking to find some one to "share" the "dream" of crossing the atlantic to the beutiful Caribbean in the the next month or two so if you know anyone please send them my way!

cheers, roger

back into the marina :(
roger
09/18/2011, gibraltar

well this morning we dragged our selves out of bed around well after 9am again. alas we missed the local "cruisers net" at 9am on chan 69. it was pretty calm so karli decided to do her yoga before we headed over to the marina. as she was doing this i got a few blog posts out. alas by the time we got underway around noon it was really blowing gusts to 20kts as we motored the less then 1nm back to the marina. of course in spite of this short distance the boat got covered in salt!

it was not and we managed to get back into our previous spot. not quite as smoothly as the first time but no yelling and no crunching. we had a few spectators on the dock by the time which was great as the marina elected to not send anyone down to help with the lines. after we got in the weather proceeded to get nastier and nastier with the marina reporting may boats had called to cancel after turning back because the weather was so bad. its great make the call to come into a marina and then have the weather get worse!

tomorrow i will try to find a welder, how hard can this be?

cheers, roger

not so fast
roger
09/17/2011, spain/gibraltar

well i managed to finish up all the critical pre under way things on the todo board this morning. swapped books at book exchange, filled water thank, syphoned last 2 jerry jugs of fuel into empty tank stowed two cases of duty free alcohol, tightened packing gland etc. i still have fuel filter swap, parts stow and a few others to be conducted on anchor. we got out of the marina just after noon and motored over to the fuel dock over at the other marina.

i always hate going into a fuel dock but this one was amazing. great dock plenty of bumpers and the nicest fuel guy i have ever met. he told us we would get 10% off if we took 500 liters or more. i did not think we could do it but in the end took exactly 500. this puts our max capacity at about 550 liters or 145 gallons. fuel was .90 pounds per liter so still a big price tag but it always feels good to be topped off and ready to go anywhere!

after this we motored another 500 meters over to spain and anchored in this nice free protected anchorage near a spanish marina. we dropped the anchor right next to our friends on chalupa who we had not seen since aden (its a small world). i dingied over with a couple of cold beers and chatted with them about their plans. they where drying fish for the upcoming passage as they dont have refrigeration so it was a good thing i brought cold beer!

armed with a bit of info on the town from chalupa i headed to shore to refill our cell phones and get more internet. of course i forget my flip flops on the boat so i had to walk around town barefoot like a homeless person. eventually i found a a store toped off the phones with a vending machine (it was sat afternoon and most every thing was closed) and got back to palapa with very dirty feet!

alas after getting ready to leave i think we will have to return to the marina. the genset is giving me the low oil light and i am having second thoughts on leaving before fixing the crack in the mast. i called them and they still have space so we will probably head over tomorrow.

cheers, roger

09/19/2011 | Caston
Catalina should fly parts, drills, taps and a guy to you to fix the mast! After crossing the Atlantic you are going to be their "Poster/Boat Boy". I don't think too many Catalina's have sailed around the World! I will meet up with you when you are in the Caribbean..... will need a break with TWINS due in a week......
09/20/2011 | roger hayward
hi caston, i agree. "jim" seems to have given up returning my email. i presume you have another 2 boys on the way so you will need quite the break!
09/21/2011 | Caston
Roger, actually a boy and a girl, Josh who I will be calling J.D. (his initials) and Charlotte who I am going to call Charley (pronounced Sharly)....

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